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Three Antioxidants You Should Not Do Without

Aug 29, 2008
This interview is an excerpt from Kevin Gianni's Renegade Roundtable, which can be found at http://www.RenegadeRoundtable.com. In this excerpt, Dr. J.E. Williams shares on how to boost your immune system to fight the flu and avoid diseases.

Renegade Water Secrets with Dr. J.E. Williams, a pioneer in integrative medicine, an educational leader in "green medicines" and an internationally known speaker and published author, including his latest book, "Viral Immunity."

Kevin: So, you mentioned a one size fits all kind of routine. What does that incorporate? What's a protocol that would kind of fit that?

Dr. Williams: Let me first give you a couple of questions on testing your viral immunity for your listeners. My book, "Viral Immunity," is a classic, and you know, it's a large book, and it covers many areas, and half of the book is on the ten steps for improving your viral immunity in a lot of detail. But in my other book on viruses, "Beating the Flu," I simplified some of the aspects of that and transferred it over, and I have a short test in there. I'll give your listeners a couple of questions out of there where if you get more than two or three colds or ordinary flu a year, your immunity might be a little bit low. If you have asthma or allergies or any lung disease, your immunity might be a little low. If you're over fifty or under fifteen, your immunity might be low. If you don't take any antioxidants,
particularly vitamin C and E, you don't exercise at all or very little, then your immunity might be at risk. If you don't eat, if you eat less than four to five servings of fruits and vegetables--I recommend ten to twelve or more a day-- then your immunity can be at risk. If you don't get good sleep, if you're under stress, many things like that are going to. . .in other words, that pretty much covers most Americans, doesn't it?

Kevin: Yeah. [laughing] Even some of the healthy ones, right?

Dr. Williams: Even some of the healthy ones. So then we want to take a look at the first step on that and that is to make sure that you're really covered with, that your antioxidant base is covered because that builds your strong immune foundation. And so, you may not recall, but I think maybe a generation before some of the leaders in natural health like yourself came on the planet, perhaps, but Linus Pauling, who brought us the idea about vitamin C, was just ridiculed and laughed at and so forth. Everybody knows him, but I remember in some of my. . .I never met him, but some of my friends and colleagues worked with him, studied with him, traveled with him, and everything was just vitamin C, vitamin C, vitamin C with these people.

We found out that it really, he probably was extreme in that it didn't do everything that we thought it was or should do, but it turned out that as we researched more, it actually does a lot. And that opened the door, created that paradigm of the importance of antioxidants in fighting disease and fighting viruses. And so getting enough vitamin C would be step number one.

And then the other antioxidants that go with that, particularly zinc, because zinc is a key component of many metabolic actions in the body and especially the immune system. Your thymus gland which is your key immune organ which is centered in your chest, and for those listeners who are on a spiritual path understand then the center of the chest is what we call the "heart chakra" or the "Anahata chakra," and that you would think the color that goes with it would be red. But it's not; it's green like the emerald green of the Amazon rain forest. And the thymus gland is centered in the center of the chest in that area of the heart chakra. And that having a strong thymus gland depends on zinc.

So, vitamin C, zinc, selenium. We've come to know, not just by theory, but by real scientific fact that American soils and now, worldwide soils are very depleted in selenium and other trace minerals, and that selenium is a key anti- viral nutrient and a key antioxidant and helps to not only prevent cancer, in some cases it can treat cancer in high dosages. So, that's really the part of that universal immune system, making sure that everything is on track. It's getting enough of the nutrients that would be deficient in even a good diet and getting them up to the levels that would support the immune system.

Kevin: And what about like synthetic vitamin C versus an extract from say, camu camu berry or acerola cherry or rose hips or something like that? What are your thoughts on that?

Dr. Williams: Well, camu camu comes from upper Amazon and Peru, and every street vendor, sitting or squatting down has a little bucket full of camu camu, and you walk down the street and you buy a handful for a couple of pennies and chew on, suck on those. The acerola berry is another one, as you mentioned, that came from the Caribbean. So a lot of these small fruits that are in the tropical zone, especially equatorial tropical zone, because of the intense sunlight. . . Just imagine yourself sitting out all day long at the top of a tree soaking up the sun day after day after day. What would you look like? More like a prune.

Kevin: Yeah.

Dr. Williams: I'm sure we would burn, too, right? So, these fruits are exposed to the sun, and they don't burn, they don't dry up until their life cycle is over. They're robust and they, because they have high antioxidant levels under the skin, right at the edge of the skin, that undoes all the damage that all that amount of sunlight causes. And so they're very, very high in the antioxidants, vitamin C being one. And any time that you can get your nutrients and particularly your antioxidants through food, you're by far better off.

We know that lower dosages, the correct form of the antioxidant in lower dosages through foods are more highly assumable and they're more biologically active in the body. And that's always the key. Is the molecule biologically active? And if it is, to what percentage of the molecule is the activity recognized by our body? Our selves can tell the difference. Technically, the pharmacist will say there's no difference. It's the same molecule. You can look at it. You can design it. It's bioidentically the same. But the fact is, is that it's not. Because there are other molecules that are associated with it in the foods, and the body recognizes that and utilizes it better because they are more biologically active. Now, the pharmaceutical forms, the pure forms, also have a purpose, and you just could never eat enough camu camu to get up to, say, a hundred or 250 grams of vitamin C a day or in a few hours to be used as a therapy. So, they both play a role. First would be through food, and second, would be through supplemental nutrition from the pharmaceutically produced product.

Kevin: I sure that's the same with the zinc and the selenium, too.

Dr. Williams: Absolutely. With all, especially with antioxidants, but almost all nutrients would be the same. There's a fair amount of research, and I've listened to presentations by the antioxidant experts, and I think it's quite convincing, and the research is quite, it's actually pretty simple research that shows that foods outperform in terms of their biological activity and their effects in the body than supplements.

Now really, the big question is this. Does a product produced by squeezing up a bunch of camu camu or acerola and making it into a network marketing company, does that give you the same benefit as the acerola berry? [laughter] Or the synthetic vitamin C? And I think that's where we lose. And we take information from one thing, and we develop it into a marketable product, and we, at that point is where we start to lose ground very, very rapidly. It's kind of like all of a sudden we're in a canoe, theoretically that should be able to cross the river, but now it has holes in it, and we're just about ready to go over the

You can't win for losing, in other words, in that type of scenario. So, what we're doing is trying to take that to a next step which is to take these substances, process them in the laboratory, in pharmaceutical type laboratories. All natural medicine, but the machinery and everything are highest quality, sterile environments, and then they're made into extracts so we're essentially removing water and cellulose and the shells and things like that that would be excreted material from the body anyway, and then retaining the complex molecule and the other things that are attached to that into an extract form and then reconstituting that into another juice base. But if you... and so that's kind of the next level. And those are called medical foods or medical beverages and the FDA has a little bit of a hard time knowing what to do with them because they, in fact that the research shows that they're highly biologically available, contain highly biologically available substance and that they can actually treat or prevent different diseases. So now, you know, it's almost like in a category of a drug.

Kevin: Right.

Dr. Williams: And many companies, they can't, they just can't afford to advance those types of products along, but you'll see more and more of those.

Kevin: OK, I pay a lot more then a couple pennies for my camu camu extract. [laughs] I'll tell you that.

Dr. Williams: Yeah, exactly. But all of these little fruits and berries, that you know, I see all these companies and it reminds me, I can see them in my minds eye right now as we talk, and every time somebody mentions the different names of these companies I, "ah, yes," I can remember the plant, they're like friends to me, they're just like people almost. They're, you know, as you can recall a person's face that you met and that you may run into all the time or maybe you had a significant encounter, but you never saw them again, but you'll still remember them. I remember the plants like that, and the fruits like that and it's a little nostalgic for me. You wonder, "Gee how did that happen? How did this big business come out of that little thing that we were researching?" And one of the main steps in the research that goes on, particularly with the tropical substances, is to discover what their, which antioxidants they have and which are the most common and what's their percentages. And then they start comparing them against, they usually compare them against vitamin C or vitamin E. So they say, you know, has twice the activity of you know, as opposed to vitamin C or something.
About the Author
To read the rest of this transcript as well as access The Renegade Roundtable experts just like Dr. J.E. Williams please click here! Kevin Gianni is an internationally recognized health advocate, author & film consultant. He has helped thousands of people take control of their own health naturally. For more information visit raw food diets and holistic nutrition.
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